we got the defensive -- so-called defense of marriage act to try to stop it from happening. and now look, it's happening. some states don't want it to, but it's happening. >> it's happening. and aisha, world aids day was sunday and very important we look at this day every year and take stock of where we are. one of the things that is also good news, you have seen a decline in the bigotry you saw when we first heard about acquired immune deficiency syndrome in the ' 0s. that is good news, right? >> that is good news. but also a lot of people left behind. i wrote a report about this last year, talking about the structural barriers that still perpetuate high rates of disease within communities of color, lgbt community, as well. so as we think about world aids day, we need to think about what we should be doing domestically here at home to make sure these folks who are living at the intersection of marginalized populations are getting the health care services they need. >> and, you know, jonathan, obviously, of course, on the down side, you have a lot of states refusing the medi